This game is very punishing and doesn't exactly give decent freebies for it's players. It has a lovely story, it's visuals are top-notch as well and I love the character designs, but the problem is it's very poorly made gameplay.
More hints should be dropped for players who aren't quite experienced in these extremely interactive RPGs; I found myself exploring the same area for around 20-30mins when the solution was right in the face, but the problem was NOTHING hinted or gestured towards it, I just had to figure it out which didn't exactly feel fair.
Nothing major issue with this game is it's hitboxes, I've had too many issues not being able to reach a ladder during a chase because I was ONE step away from it, or how the net wouldn't catch the fireflies because it just happened to flow away from me while the literal MENU was in the face so I had no idea why it wouldn't work.
BTW; I don't know if it's some glitch or if you really just wanna have us hit that perfect score, but that fuse challenge is the most annoying thing yet, I've done the math for all the fuses, I put in just a 40 and a 15 like this one youtuber did, but nothing worked. I ran around that area, backtracking, circling about and such else and it doesn't help that most of the monsters in this game zoom straight at you with NO chance for the player to escape or think so I was greeted by my old friend THE BLINDING RED SCREEN multiple times for a broken puzzle.
I see lots of love was placed in this game, but I REALLY feel like you need to playtest it better before releasing it to the public. I see most people rage as most of these puzzles have no hints on where to start, I mean.. how was I supposed to know to mess with the lamps to get into the literal first area? The only props I can give you is that you can skip the spike dodging game, which is the only mercy you gave to possible newbies. If anything? I request you drop more hints, playtest the game more often and make it less punishing for your audience. Nobody likes a game that bullies and kills you whenever it feels like it over glitches, bugs and simple puzzle mess ups that aren't even clear.
like this ? it seem that you need to play on early version, the top one is the early version 1.0.0 and the bottom one is 1.0.4, please let me know that i'm not the only one who got this weird bug
It was meant to be like this, you are meant to fill all 4 slots on 55 to get it working, the previous ones where you can get it working without filling all 4 slots are actually the bugged ones.
v1.0.4 + Fixed an issue that allowed the elevator fuses to work without filling all the slots.
I'm sorry that you had trouble with the puzzles! Just to make sure, did you use the "objectives" menu as a guide? (Regarding the facility, placing only 2 fuses was a bug that was fixed in version 1.0.4!)
We've tested the puzzles and made improvements accordingly, but we realize that it's difficult to make this game perfect for every kind of player. We'll do our best to take note of everyone's comments and improve it based on that!
I beg of you please don't listen to this specimen of nature, the game can already be finished by a lobotomized cat with room temperature IQ, making it any easier to accommodate for these monkeys would make the game fall into preschooler levels of difficulty. Keep it up much love ciao
I myself don't think the game is very challenging, it's fairly easy. You just have to explore and look around, interact with everything. And there are plenty of hints for you to solve all puzzles.
As for the monster in the facility, jeez man just don't run and look where you're going, they're fairly easy to spot and avoid.
i am so glad this is out, i played project kat a couple of months ago and i am so glad to see that this is out! i cant wait to play it, thanks for releasing this
This is awesome. I played project kat already before a couple of times and I was in love. When I found out that paper lily was out, I was like omg I need to download this, and so I did. The design was amazing I loved all the details especially in the forest and the house (her room), I think I might've missed some interactions with items but it's alright, finishing the game was fulfilling enough. I really liked the soundtrack too it fit perfectly with the areas, really nice music. Honestly there's so much more I could say but it's so amazing I can't put it into words, I love rpg makers with my soul, so this is just aijuijueradwajuedsar. (Sorry if my grammar is all messy, I'm just so excited for what's to come.)
I also really loved the character design; the art style is so nice I might have to study it and make it my own loll. I hope I wrote everything I liked in here there's so much going on in my brain after playing this my thoughts are all over the place.
Spoilers below !!(?)
I got the true end which is the only end I'm pretty sure lol and omg why does he leavee arggg i want to eat macarons with youuu. !!! Live laugh love Sai!!! oh yeah I was thinking maybe adding a tiny minigame to the envelope folding might've been cool although I'm not sure how one would go about that.
I will not lie I did try to take the flower out its vase at the end, the bird from project kat lowk traumatized me. so glad I didn't get told of by some demon this time. ALSO is the potion shop girlie kat ?? i saw someone call her that and the hairstyle fits but i don't know if I'm being dumb lolol.
Since this comment was ~4 months ago, I'm assuming you already got it or dropped the search. But just in case, the second rune is found during the sign puzzle right before the lamp post puzzle. The hint is to turn both signs that say "Secret" so that it follows a direction, one opens a path for a coin and another for a rune.
Hey! I love this game, its art, puzzles and the fact that there is always another way is amazing, I will continue waiting for next releases!
P.S: I think the game has a bug and sometimes when I start a new mission it don't appear the objective and I can't gather the necessary items to complete it.
Finished the game a few times, it was very fun! Love it!
Slight spoilers/questions
Has anyone gotten handle (pentagon) in the facility, and what can you do with the bucket? Does it have something to do with the occupied stall in the bathroom?
I keep taking out the fuses for the lights, doors, etc to get access to the elevator, but pretty sure there's way...Just need some guidance :-/
"rune" probably took it, you need at least 4 runes to get the handle i guess. i manage to give 3 runes to "rune", does anyone know how to get another runes?
i finished the game when it was on 1.0.3(windows) do i keep the saves if i download this new version? By the way this game is a masterpiece i like the characters and the maps a lot expecially the forest and its music
i said in the form but ill say it here again. the game is great and im rly thankful for what you two are doing. you guys have full support at least from me for any ways to monetize it because i want to see this game go through so much. not a fan of chapter releases (especially since your turn to die, if you know you know) but im so invested in the story that ill take anything. good job you two.
Thank you! We appreciate it! We definitely understand the issues with chapter releases, so if there's a better option for Paper Lily in the future, we're open to it ^^
I love the art style and visuals but there seems to be a glitch where I can't get past the section of calling the bus. Even though I put in the right symbols/numbers it still doesn't progress the story, I even searched up a guide for this part and still can't get it to work. I'll try this game out later into the year when its completely released. Other then that, it was a good experience from the short time I was playing.
I personally thought that the first ending/route that I got was the only one accessible, even if just in the demo. I'm absolutely amazing by the game so far; the UI, the art, the music, the characters, the world, basically everything. I have fallen totally in love and I cannot wait to see what else is in store. Can't wait for the KS to drop either!!!
Been waiting for this! I love how it hearkens back to Project Kat and I love that the puzzles have different solutions. Gives it lots of replay value. Artwork and music are amazing, the difficulty level is a little inconsistent but I'm sure you'll work that out. Thanks for the wonderful game-- you do great work!
does anyone know if the speed of the painting lady in miss knives home was changed since launch? i've been stuck on this part for an hour now, but whenever i look up walkthroughs, she barely even catches up with them. im doing every single movement the same, but she gets me no matter what, so im wondering if it was made harder or i just really suck
I only bring this up because I didn’t realize it myself until way deep in the facility, but are you aware that you can sprint with shift? Aside from that, I’m not too certain about the difficulty adjustments.
I know it’s not necessary to beat the game, but despite my best efforts I couldn’t solve the code for the little box in Miss Knives’ bedroom. Is there anyone who knows that can give me a hint on how to solve it? One thing I tried was counting the paintings with keys, but that didn’t really work out.
Thanks for the reassurance! Had to go back to my save before the facility just to take a crack at it again. I was able to solve it pretty quickly afterwards— really don’t know why I didn’t try that from the get-go. My problem was that I kept trying to enter the numbers from the two floors separately.
You didn’t see it because it’s completely optional. In Red’s Tree House there’s a room beneath the carpet. Here you’ll find a character, who in exchange for help, will offer you a shortcut to the light house that doesn’t involve going through the forest. This character will request a blue light, which you get in the form of a blue-flamed candle from the candle head statue in the Sculptor’s House if you de-petrify him with a potion made in the tree house. Won’t work if you took the candle from the statue before hand.
Quite an impressively polished experience. Wonderful artwork, amusing dialogue, a world full of weird ideas... this is exactly the kind of RPG Maker-esque experience I love.
I finally made it to the finale of chapter 1, overall I had a great time with this game :). I can't wait for chapter 2, and seeing how this story plays out. The cliffhanger really got me at the end! That's a great way to end a chapter!
I really love the game! I love the developer create personality from each character, and also I'm enjoying to dubbing every character in the story XD. Just for my feedback I think it's better to adding a footstep in your game. Overall it's a good game!! I split the gameplay into a few part, this is part 1. I hope you enjoy it ^^
AHHH I just finished it! I love the direction this game is heading at. Seriously, did you do a ritual to come up with this stuff????
I love the art style, the new minigames were a bit tricky but fun, the story got way deeper, lovable characters (Except for that random primal) and overall a great game.
I have encountered a few bugs here and there.. Though, since I played on V1.0.0, I don't mind, game developing seems very tough and I'm sure they've been patched on the newer releases.
Even so, I got my time's worth and an overall 10/10.
Spoilers
I still can't get over Ms Knives' backstory, Sai voluntarily being left behind, Kat and the gang and Lacie's curse.. But I'm sure everything will make much more sense as time passes by.
Anyways, that's all I have to say. Wow that was long, cheers!
Earlier in the game I accidentally destroyed the statue guy, and now I’m trying to get through the keypad door underneath Red’s house and I need the blue light :’) Is there any other way to get the code for the keypad without the light? I’ve been playing for quite a long time since I took the candle and I don’t really want to do everything all over again.
(I’m aware that I can go through the north/east gate, but I would prefer not to...)
I've played well over 4hrs of the demo release, mostly trying to find all the hidden secrets crammed in like I did with project kat. I think I've found most of the placeholder alternate endings, and I'm pretty intrigued to find what actually happens cause some of them seem pretty vague/random. Couple of questions tho. At the facility, is it possible to open the doors labeled "kids room" and "the glen" on the map, and can you access the 4th floor on the elevator or is it just there for flavour. Also, is the player able to open the shutter door at the train station. If you use the scissors it mentions that they're not strong enough to cut through metal bars, but the bolt cutter doesn't work either.
I played the first (I think) version of Project Kat long before the steam realease, and I absolutely loved it. Since that day, I had been waiting for years now for the first chapter, and I just finished today. And it was even better than I expected. Can't wait for the full steam realease!
After replaying it again, I can't believe the amount the details I missed on my first playthrough! It's sooo good!!
I was curious if there is any plan uploading the music to youtube or any other platform? I'd absolutely love to listen to the soundtrack outside of the game. (But totally understand if that's not a concern at all, the devs must be pretty busy with the kickstarter and the game!)
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EXTRAORDINARY
It was AMAZING! I'm gonna play it again just now!
This game is very punishing and doesn't exactly give decent freebies for it's players. It has a lovely story, it's visuals are top-notch as well and I love the character designs, but the problem is it's very poorly made gameplay.
More hints should be dropped for players who aren't quite experienced in these extremely interactive RPGs; I found myself exploring the same area for around 20-30mins when the solution was right in the face, but the problem was NOTHING hinted or gestured towards it, I just had to figure it out which didn't exactly feel fair.
Nothing major issue with this game is it's hitboxes, I've had too many issues not being able to reach a ladder during a chase because I was ONE step away from it, or how the net wouldn't catch the fireflies because it just happened to flow away from me while the literal MENU was in the face so I had no idea why it wouldn't work.
BTW; I don't know if it's some glitch or if you really just wanna have us hit that perfect score, but that fuse challenge is the most annoying thing yet, I've done the math for all the fuses, I put in just a 40 and a 15 like this one youtuber did, but nothing worked. I ran around that area, backtracking, circling about and such else and it doesn't help that most of the monsters in this game zoom straight at you with NO chance for the player to escape or think so I was greeted by my old friend THE BLINDING RED SCREEN multiple times for a broken puzzle.
I see lots of love was placed in this game, but I REALLY feel like you need to playtest it better before releasing it to the public. I see most people rage as most of these puzzles have no hints on where to start, I mean.. how was I supposed to know to mess with the lamps to get into the literal first area? The only props I can give you is that you can skip the spike dodging game, which is the only mercy you gave to possible newbies. If anything? I request you drop more hints, playtest the game more often and make it less punishing for your audience. Nobody likes a game that bullies and kills you whenever it feels like it over glitches, bugs and simple puzzle mess ups that aren't even clear.
like this ? it seem that you need to play on early version, the top one is the early version 1.0.0 and the bottom one is 1.0.4, please let me know that i'm not the only one who got this weird bug
It was meant to be like this, you are meant to fill all 4 slots on 55 to get it working, the previous ones where you can get it working without filling all 4 slots are actually the bugged ones.
v1.0.4 + Fixed an issue that allowed the elevator fuses to work without filling all the slots.
idk man but thanks
where did u find the other 15 fuse and the 20 fuse??
Git gud
git gud
I'm sorry that you had trouble with the puzzles! Just to make sure, did you use the "objectives" menu as a guide? (Regarding the facility, placing only 2 fuses was a bug that was fixed in version 1.0.4!)
We've tested the puzzles and made improvements accordingly, but we realize that it's difficult to make this game perfect for every kind of player. We'll do our best to take note of everyone's comments and improve it based on that!
Hi mr devs,
I beg of you please don't listen to this specimen of nature, the game can already be finished by a lobotomized cat with room temperature IQ, making it any easier to accommodate for these monkeys would make the game fall into preschooler levels of difficulty. Keep it up much love ciao
Git gud,
I myself don't think the game is very challenging, it's fairly easy.
You just have to explore and look around, interact with everything.
And there are plenty of hints for you to solve all puzzles.
As for the monster in the facility, jeez man just don't run and look where you're going, they're fairly easy to spot and avoid.
WOOO im so hype to play this
i am so glad this is out, i played project kat a couple of months ago and i am so glad to see that this is out! i cant wait to play it, thanks for releasing this
This game looks so promising and amazing! gonna play it rn
kat is that you ? their eyes are similiar somehow
man.. i miss her so much ngl
how did you get that image?. i just got the text box and thas it
here is the clue: give the shadow girl more animal, goodluck
How many animals does she need?! I bringed a jar, moth son and stinky fish! >-<
This is awesome. I played project kat already before a couple of times and I was in love. When I found out that paper lily was out, I was like omg I need to download this, and so I did. The design was amazing I loved all the details especially in the forest and the house (her room), I think I might've missed some interactions with items but it's alright, finishing the game was fulfilling enough. I really liked the soundtrack too it fit perfectly with the areas, really nice music. Honestly there's so much more I could say but it's so amazing I can't put it into words, I love rpg makers with my soul, so this is just aijuijueradwajuedsar. (Sorry if my grammar is all messy, I'm just so excited for what's to come.)
I also really loved the character design; the art style is so nice I might have to study it and make it my own loll. I hope I wrote everything I liked in here there's so much going on in my brain after playing this my thoughts are all over the place.
Spoilers below !!(?)
I got the true end which is the only end I'm pretty sure lol and omg why does he leavee arggg i want to eat macarons with youuu. !!! Live laugh love Sai!!! oh yeah I was thinking maybe adding a tiny minigame to the envelope folding might've been cool although I'm not sure how one would go about that.
I will not lie I did try to take the flower out its vase at the end, the bird from project kat lowk traumatized me. so glad I didn't get told of by some demon this time. ALSO is the potion shop girlie kat ?? i saw someone call her that and the hairstyle fits but i don't know if I'm being dumb lolol.
Absolutely adore this game!! I can't wait to see what you guys do next!!
Question!! (Spoilers incoming)...
1. How does one get under Red's house? I'm unsure where to find the key to open the passage there...
From what I remember, you need to exchange a rune stone with Rune to get bolt cutters. You can then use the bolt cutters to open the passage.
Ah thank you for the reply, but for me, he gave me a bug's net when I gave him a rune 😅
There is a runes near the giant tree
that's the one I gave to him 😅. I'll have to hunt for more runes, I think, but I appreciate the help!
Since this comment was ~4 months ago, I'm assuming you already got it or dropped the search. But just in case, the second rune is found during the sign puzzle right before the lamp post puzzle. The hint is to turn both signs that say "Secret" so that it follows a direction, one opens a path for a coin and another for a rune.
SPOILERS
I don't know if you have noticed but Kat and Juli appeared in chapter 1, although they two are possibly demons now.
here the images of Kat and Juli in their demon forms
yeah i noticed that too
i thought it was iris in the painting
I finished the game just a couple of minutes ago And I can't wait to see the chapter 2
Wish you best of luck Leaf 6010
It's "Leef" not "Leaf"
Hey! I love this game, its art, puzzles and the fact that there is always another way is amazing, I will continue waiting for next releases!
P.S: I think the game has a bug and sometimes when I start a new mission it don't appear the objective and I can't gather the necessary items to complete it.
Thank you! We'll take a look at it!
Finished the game a few times, it was very fun! Love it!
Slight spoilers/questions
Has anyone gotten handle (pentagon) in the facility, and what can you do with the bucket? Does it have something to do with the occupied stall in the bathroom?
I keep taking out the fuses for the lights, doors, etc to get access to the elevator, but pretty sure there's way...Just need some guidance :-/
Nope, there is no pentagon handle, but you don't need it if you know how to geometry. As for the elevator, it's basic math, just add up to 55,
Answers below:
You can just use the star handle for the pentagon, and the fuses are just 40 + 15 in the top slots.
In the 1.0.4, it's different, it's
40 + 5
25 - 15
"rune" probably took it, you need at least 4 runes to get the handle i guess. i manage to give 3 runes to "rune", does anyone know how to get another runes?
Do you want the answer or do you want to keep looking for it yourself
So there is another one?
There's 4, not counting the starting one used for the ritual.
And where is the fourth? I only found 3
i finished the game when it was on 1.0.3(windows) do i keep the saves if i download this new version? By the way this game is a masterpiece i like the characters and the maps a lot expecially the forest and its music
Thank you! Yes, if you download any new versions, you keep your saves ^^
Hello! Congrats for the release of the 1rst chapter! I loved Project Kat, so I was really hyped for this! Keep it up~
Work of art. Excited for chapter 2!
Keep up the great work!
i said in the form but ill say it here again. the game is great and im rly thankful for what you two are doing. you guys have full support at least from me for any ways to monetize it because i want to see this game go through so much. not a fan of chapter releases (especially since your turn to die, if you know you know) but im so invested in the story that ill take anything. good job you two.
Thank you! We appreciate it! We definitely understand the issues with chapter releases, so if there's a better option for Paper Lily in the future, we're open to it ^^
About that.. IOS when i Tap the paper lily demo app.
there’s nothing there
I just finished the game and thought it was amazing, good job.
I love the art style and visuals but there seems to be a glitch where I can't get past the section of calling the bus. Even though I put in the right symbols/numbers it still doesn't progress the story, I even searched up a guide for this part and still can't get it to work. I'll try this game out later into the year when its completely released. Other then that, it was a good experience from the short time I was playing.
minor spoilers ahead
I personally thought that the first ending/route that I got was the only one accessible, even if just in the demo. I'm absolutely amazing by the game so far; the UI, the art, the music, the characters, the world, basically everything. I have fallen totally in love and I cannot wait to see what else is in store. Can't wait for the KS to drop either!!!
Been waiting for this! I love how it hearkens back to Project Kat and I love that the puzzles have different solutions. Gives it lots of replay value. Artwork and music are amazing, the difficulty level is a little inconsistent but I'm sure you'll work that out. Thanks for the wonderful game-- you do great work!
I can't play it on my mac book :(
does anyone know if the speed of the painting lady in miss knives home was changed since launch? i've been stuck on this part for an hour now, but whenever i look up walkthroughs, she barely even catches up with them. im doing every single movement the same, but she gets me no matter what, so im wondering if it was made harder or i just really suck
I only bring this up because I didn’t realize it myself until way deep in the facility, but are you aware that you can sprint with shift? Aside from that, I’m not too certain about the difficulty adjustments.
yes im aware aha i guess i probably just suck. i dont think im gonna get past this part though, so i'll just watch someone else play through the end.
Ig it was a bit of a long shot sorry I couldn’t help :(
Question!!! (may contain minor spoiler):
I know it’s not necessary to beat the game, but despite my best efforts I couldn’t solve the code for the little box in Miss Knives’ bedroom. Is there anyone who knows that can give me a hint on how to solve it? One thing I tried was counting the paintings with keys, but that didn’t really work out.
You're on the right track.
Thanks for the reassurance! Had to go back to my save before the facility just to take a crack at it again. I was able to solve it pretty quickly afterwards— really don’t know why I didn’t try that from the get-go. My problem was that I kept trying to enter the numbers from the two floors separately.
Same. It took me quite a while because I was overthinking it.
018 is the whoops spoiler
can't wait for the full release and to find some stuff i missed in my first playthrough!
what's the blue light everyone is talking about?! How did I finish the game without needing it?..
SPOILER:
You didn’t see it because it’s completely optional. In Red’s Tree House there’s a room beneath the carpet. Here you’ll find a character, who in exchange for help, will offer you a shortcut to the light house that doesn’t involve going through the forest. This character will request a blue light, which you get in the form of a blue-flamed candle from the candle head statue in the Sculptor’s House if you de-petrify him with a potion made in the tree house. Won’t work if you took the candle from the statue before hand.
oh man spoiler, but thanks
There is always another way!
...to solve puzzles :)
Thank you for making another way to solve that ungodly spike minigame:)
I wouldn't be able to finish the game otherwise...
Quite an impressively polished experience. Wonderful artwork, amusing dialogue, a world full of weird ideas... this is exactly the kind of RPG Maker-esque experience I love.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it ^^
I finally made it to the finale of chapter 1, overall I had a great time with this game :). I can't wait for chapter 2, and seeing how this story plays out. The cliffhanger really got me at the end! That's a great way to end a chapter!
Thank you Leef
I really love the game! I love the developer create personality from each character, and also I'm enjoying to dubbing every character in the story XD. Just for my feedback I think it's better to adding a footstep in your game. Overall it's a good game!!
I split the gameplay into a few part, this is part 1. I hope you enjoy it ^^
Everyone : I finished the game!
meanwhile me : *trying to escape the picture ghost lady in miss knives home for the 100th time*
Hi, I wanted to ask if you can tell us already when will it be released on Steam?
We will be posting a devlog with more info on this very soon! Thank you for your patience ^^
I use a mac and it says the file is damaged :')
i cant open the file :(
mb, thanks though!
AHHH I just finished it! I love the direction this game is heading at. Seriously, did you do a ritual to come up with this stuff????
I love the art style, the new minigames were a bit tricky but fun, the story got way deeper, lovable characters (Except for that random primal) and overall a great game.
I have encountered a few bugs here and there.. Though, since I played on V1.0.0, I don't mind, game developing seems very tough and I'm sure they've been patched on the newer releases.
Even so, I got my time's worth and an overall 10/10.
Spoilers
I still can't get over Ms Knives' backstory, Sai voluntarily being left behind,
Kat and the gangand Lacie's curse.. But I'm sure everything will make much more sense as time passes by.Anyways, that's all I have to say.
Wow that was long, cheers!
Thank you for your nice comment! Glad you enjoyed it ^^ (and yes, many little bugs were fixed in the following versions)
Question: (contains spoilers)
Earlier in the game I accidentally destroyed the statue guy, and now I’m trying to get through the keypad door underneath Red’s house and I need the blue light :’) Is there any other way to get the code for the keypad without the light? I’ve been playing for quite a long time since I took the candle and I don’t really want to do everything all over again.
(I’m aware that I can go through the north/east gate, but I would prefer not to...)
Also I really love the game so far :)
Sadly, the candle man was your only option for the blue light :')
YES FINALLY!!
Spoilers I guess?:
I've played well over 4hrs of the demo release, mostly trying to find all the hidden secrets crammed in like I did with project kat. I think I've found most of the placeholder alternate endings, and I'm pretty intrigued to find what actually happens cause some of them seem pretty vague/random. Couple of questions tho. At the facility, is it possible to open the doors labeled "kids room" and "the glen" on the map, and can you access the 4th floor on the elevator or is it just there for flavour. Also, is the player able to open the shutter door at the train station. If you use the scissors it mentions that they're not strong enough to cut through metal bars, but the bolt cutter doesn't work either.
The locations you mentioned are indeed inaccessible!
Will they be added in a later update?
I played the first (I think) version of Project Kat long before the steam realease, and I absolutely loved it. Since that day, I had been waiting for years now for the first chapter, and I just finished today. And it was even better than I expected. Can't wait for the full steam realease!
Keep up the great work <3
Thank you so much! ^^
After replaying it again, I can't believe the amount the details I missed on my first playthrough! It's sooo good!!
I was curious if there is any plan uploading the music to youtube or any other platform? I'd absolutely love to listen to the soundtrack outside of the game. (But totally understand if that's not a concern at all, the devs must be pretty busy with the kickstarter and the game!)
Glad you enjoyed it!
We will make the soundtrack available as soon as possible!